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RE: Superman. - GL 2814.4 - 08-20-2011 04:41 PM
I quite liked it too, actually.
And not just 'cause I'm a lady and swayed by the likes of Brandon Routh and James Marsden. Not that they didn't help. 'Cause they did. A lot.
If you ignore the weird continuity thing and the son thing, it's a very fair representation of Superman, imo. Brandon Routh was amazingly convincing as Superman and Clark Kent and I'm sad he won't get another chance at the role. D:
RE: Superman. - thechrishaley - 08-20-2011 04:45 PM
(08-20-2011 04:28 PM)Mxy Wrote: I'm curious: what do you, fellow Superman fans (as opposed to you, guy lurking on the forum) think about Superman Returns? I mean, I know the internet hates it. I know some very sensible people who hate it too. But I just fucking love that movie so much. I know it's extremely flawed, but what the hell, so are Superman I and II.
There's more love and respect for Superman in that short scene in the Kent farm at the beginning than in all 27 seasons of Smallville.
I still love it, flaws and all.
I think the consensus among sensible individuals is that it's not that the movie is bad, it's just that it's borderline boring. Superman doesn't really get to do much (and I'm not talking about him needing to punch people, I'm talking about him actually being in the movie).
That double-jeopardy shuttle/plane rescue scenes is absolutely perfect, but unfortunately, there's nothing to match or surpass it in the rest of the movie.
I always love hearing what people who loved it think though, so please go on (at as great a length as you like) on what you liked about it!
RE: Superman. - winnr - 08-20-2011 04:51 PM
I have no real problem with any of the things people complain about, but I just find the film boring. I like all the stuff with his son and I like the style of it and everything, but that film puts me to sleep.
In fact, I'd rather Singer got another crack at Superman than Snyder, I'm really worried about the fate of Superman in that dude's hands.
RE: Superman. - Palmer - 08-20-2011 04:57 PM
(08-20-2011 02:53 PM)thechrishaley Wrote:(08-20-2011 02:24 PM)Palmer Wrote: Can we all agree that Smallville is the worst interpretation of the Superman mythos?
Earth One is worse.
The journalism aspects in that thing alone were just horrible.
RE: Superman. - thechrishaley - 08-20-2011 05:34 PM
(08-20-2011 04:57 PM)Palmer Wrote:(08-20-2011 02:53 PM)thechrishaley Wrote:(08-20-2011 02:24 PM)Palmer Wrote: Can we all agree that Smallville is the worst interpretation of the Superman mythos?
Earth One is worse.
The journalism aspects in that thing alone were just horrible.
THIS IS 100% REQUIRED READING:
Making Sense Of Straczynski & Davis's "Superman: Earth One" using Morrison & Quitely's "All-Star Superman", & Vice-Versa Too! (Part 1 of 4)
"The Truth": What Straczynski & Davis's "Superman: Earth One" Tells Us About Morrison & Quitely's "All-Star Superman", & Vice-Versa (Part 2 of 4)
Stick Together!: What Straczynski & Davis's "Superman: Earth One" Tells Us About Morrison & Quitely's "All-Star Superman" & Vice-Versa (Part 3 of 4)
"Brain Beats Brawn!": What Straczynski & Davis's "Superman: Earth One" Tells Us About Morrison & Quitely's "All-Star Superman" & Vice-Versa (Part 4 of 4)
RE: Superman. - Mxy - 08-20-2011 05:43 PM
(08-20-2011 04:45 PM)thechrishaley Wrote: I always love hearing what people who loved it think though, so please go on (at as great a length as you like) on what you liked about it!
Almost everything, starting with the music. The movie probably won me over with the opening, because just getting to sit in a theatre and listen to the John Williams theme was an awesome experience. I also like that they messed around with variations of the Lois Lane theme, like saying "the real thing would be too corny for this movie", and then when your guard is down they go ahead and play the original theme anyway. Then there's this part:
That's some Stanley Kubrick shit right there.
The sound design in general is pretty great, as is the cinematography. As I said before, the shots of the farm alone are little pieces of art. There's so much craft in that movie. I think they're gonna look at it years from now and dissect it, because there's no way all that work is gonna go unnoticed forever.
I know people say it was too reverential of the Chrisopher Reeves movies (and they're probably right), but the way I look at it: it's a sequel! Why shouldn't it use the same music, characterizations and so on? So Lex Luthor is obsessed with land, just like in the old movies... well duh, it's the same guy. I think the reason Kate Bosworth's performance stands out (in a bad way) is that she's the only one who didn't try to continue what the previous actress was doing. One thing that helps me enjoy the Lois aspect a little more is pretending that she does know Clark is Superman all along and is just playing dumb (and has been since that time Superman kissed her and sort of expected her memory to be erased, and she was all like "oh... um, yeah". Poor Superman, he probably never kissed anyone before.)
The stuff with the kid was a little awkward, but I think it was a logical continuation of the father/son themes of the first movie. In that sense I get what Singer was trying to do and I can dig it, even though I think the execution wasn't excellent. I would have preferred if the Jesus imagery was a little less heavy handed (or not there at all). As for all the complaints about the part where he lifted the Kryptonite island: fuck you, he's Superman. He can do anything.
RE: Superman. - chris graves - 08-20-2011 06:00 PM
Birthright is one of my favorite Superman stories evar. It bugs me how it got swept under the rug because Geoff Johns wanted to rub out his own Superman origin. Bah!
All-Star is the absolute greatest though. It is the E=MC2 of superheroes. The blueprint of how it is DONE. Superhero comics could have called it a day after that. Maybe I'm exaggerating a bit. But it always inspires me every time I flip through it.
Superman Returns just looks really elegant and well done. A lot of little parts of it are unnecessarily long though. I don't know about Man of Steel though. Why do I get the feeling Zack Snyder is gonna recreate a bunch of famous panels/comic covers and Superman will be doing a lot of intense shit in slow motion?
And another thing: I can see some similarities between All-Star and Doctor Who. Not only are they super positive all of the time, but it's like All-Star Superman eventually had to end so he could "regenerate" and become a new version of himself for the next generation. Or maybe I read too much into it. ANYWAY...
RE: Superman. - winnr - 08-20-2011 06:03 PM
(08-20-2011 05:43 PM)Mxy Wrote: I think the reason Kate Bosworth's performance stands out (in a bad way) is that she's the only one who didn't try to continue what the previous actress was doing.
My biggest problem with Kate Bosworth is that she isn't Rachel McAdams.
RE: Superman. - Sean Whitmore - 08-20-2011 06:51 PM
I try not to think about "Returns" too much, because every time I do, I find more problems with it. Or in some cases, I just become less willing to give a pass to all the things I disliked the first time around.
And I don't like to dislike anything Superman. It's this desire that has led to me typing the sentence "That was a pretty good episode by Smallville standards" more than once in my life.
So I crave the plausible deniability of forgetfulness.
RE: Superman. - NasWho - 08-20-2011 07:28 PM
(08-20-2011 01:24 PM)Koltreg Wrote: As much as I like All Star Superman, Chris Roberson on Grounded made me understand Superman... I read issue 1 of All Star Superman, I didn't like it. I didn't read comics at the time so Lex Luthor using a bomb on Superman in space was too "stupid and immature" for me. I liked only the gritty stuff.
I should probably track down the Roberson back issues, with all the love they've been getting from Superman fans. I suppose you have a point, but stuff like Luthor using a bomb on Superman makes perfect sense in context. He's not trying to hurt him or anyone else, really. He just needed to endanger Quintum's shuttle enough to get Superman close to the sun and saturated with solar energy. To kill him.
I'll look into the Roberson issues, but All Star is absolutely one of the most accessible, interesting comics you could hand someone, and by far my favorite Superman story.