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RE: Superman. - thechrishaley - 09-08-2011 01:50 PM
I think All Star Superman is the best thing superhero comics have ever done.
It's the greatest example of how wonderful they can be when done right.
RE: Superman. - Name - 09-08-2011 02:54 PM
I have trouble disagreeing.
RE: Superman. - Palmer - 09-08-2011 05:01 PM
Besides All-Star Superman, what are some of the best Superman stories in your guys' opinions? I'm a bit lost when it comes to Superman, I really only read Batman when it comes to DC.
RE: Superman. - thechrishaley - 09-08-2011 05:10 PM
(09-08-2011 05:01 PM)Palmer Wrote: Besides All-Star Superman, what are some of the best Superman stories in your guys' opinions? I'm a bit lost when it comes to Superman, I really only read Buttman when it comes to DC.
Superman: Birthright is the best thing to give someone who doesn't get Superman or has never read a Superman comic to say, "Here. This is what you need to know about this dude and why he's so great."
Superman: Secret Identity is a fantastic tale of a world exactly like our own where one day a boy from Kansas named Clark Kent discovers after an entire childhood of being teased about being Superman, he suddenly has all of Superman's powers.
The first Superman/Buttman trade by Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness is a great big, fun, exciting to look at summer movie kind of comic.
Check those out and get back to me for continued Superman recommendations.
RE: Superman. - winnr - 09-08-2011 06:09 PM
(09-08-2011 05:10 PM)thechrishaley Wrote: Superman: Birthright is the best thing to give someone who doesn't get Superman or has never read a Superman comic to say, "Here. This is what you need to know about this dude and why he's so great."
Superman: Secret Identity is a fantastic tale of a world exactly like our own where one day a boy from Kansas named Clark Kent discovers after an entire childhood of being teased about being Superman, he suddenly has all of Superman's powers.
I've been wanting to read those books for years but I can't track them down anywhere. Secret Identity is getting reprinted in two DC Presents but I kind of want it in one volume? I'll probably get it anyway because it's not likely to see print again for a while.
And that sums up one of my biggest problems with DC: everything's out of print.
RE: Superman. - MoustachePants - 09-08-2011 06:27 PM
Isn't Final Crisis, at its core, a book about what happens when Superman goes missing?
When Superman isn't around, mankind literally falls to pieces, and the JLA faces its worst fears and loses. The Martian Manhunter is brutally murdered, completely alone, more or less because he has been ignored by his friends, and only brought back to their attention through his pain. Wonder Woman loses herself completely to her warrior instincts (brought on by the virus she is infected with, sure, but it's the absurd continuation of what happened when she broke Maxwell Lord's neck) and literally becomes animal. Hal Jordan is put on trial by the Guardians after they are manipulated by Granny Goodness, reprimanded and stripped powerless because of his past sins as Parallax, and the fear that still surrounded him. Aquaman is dead, already. Batman is captured, cloned, tortured, and forced to turn to the one weapon he refused to utilize, break one of his only rules, yet still cannot manage to save the day, and finally is sent back in time to become a weaponized version of himself sent to destroy reality. Wally West is replaced by his idol and mentor Barry, who is made up to be the once more (although Earth Two Superman actually defeated the Anti-Monitor in the first Crisis) saviour of the universe, yet they can only manage to bring a group of heroes and villains together to delay the, then, inevitable decomposition of the universe into a "Darkseid shaped hole".
Despite the shinning moments of the rest of the universe (Green Arrow, saving his lover, children, wives, and a villain turned hero that has a defense against Anti-Life that, while maintaining free-will, cannot overcome the sheer brute and brutal strength of pure evil, is a great example of a good act that is ultimately futile), no one could have defeated this malice without Superman.
Perhaps the Anti-Life Equation would not have worked if Superman had been in any one universe, and had not have been traveling around and through them. Morrison showed him to be the inspiration for all of mankind's achievements in All Star, and so perhaps its not too far of a jump to say that the defense that Metron gave to Anthro was the inspiration of Superman, the will to live and to be good, to further life and save one another. In short, "To be continued", the Life Equation, Superman's wish and gift to everyone. The elixir he found in the Monitors' world, the world of pure thought that imagined the universe into existence is nothing other than the manifestation of Superman's love for life. He is the only force strong enough to contain existence and to continually pass it to others. And although the two of his friends, the ultimate expression of Superman as alien in J'onn J'onzz, and as human in Batman, although they die, they eventually come back. Continued because Superman came back.
At the end of Final Crisis there is no, 'The End' because the end is Anti-Life.
But, as the story shows, as long as Superman is around, there is always 'To be continued.'
I like that idea.
RE: Superman. - Palmer - 09-08-2011 06:39 PM
(09-08-2011 05:10 PM)thechrishaley Wrote:(09-08-2011 05:01 PM)Palmer Wrote: Besides All-Star Superman, what are some of the best Superman stories in your guys' opinions? I'm a bit lost when it comes to Superman, I really only read Buttman when it comes to DC.
Superman: Birthright is the best thing to give someone who doesn't get Superman or has never read a Superman comic to say, "Here. This is what you need to know about this dude and why he's so great."
Superman: Secret Identity is a fantastic tale of a world exactly like our own where one day a boy from Kansas named Clark Kent discovers after an entire childhood of being teased about being Superman, he suddenly has all of Superman's powers.
The first Superman/Buttman trade by Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuinness is a great big, fun, exciting to look at summer movie kind of comic.
Check those out and get back to me for continued Superman recommendations.
Oh, I read those and I liked them. Really liked Birthright. Thought Loeb's Superman/Batman run was silly fun but nothing special. I think I phrased my previous statement incorrectly when it comes to reading Superman, I mean I've read a few series here and there but I want some more and I don't know where to start.
RE: Superman. - winnr - 09-08-2011 07:23 PM
I'm in the same boat (except I haven't read Secret Identity or Birthright), I really love Superman done well but I don't know where to find good Superman stories. All Star Superman and For The Man Who Has Everything are two of my favourite comics, I really enjoyed Brainiac and the Legion stories from Geoff Johns run, Superman: TAS is incredible, but I don't really know where to go from there. I read a little bit of Roberson's Superman and it was pretty good, but it didn't really pull me in. I liked the finale though.
RE: Superman. - Nerd is the Word - 09-08-2011 08:16 PM
I loved the Legion story by Johns! It was epic!
RE: Superman. - Josh - 09-08-2011 08:42 PM
I will eternally stand by Up Up and Away as among the best examples of in continuity Superman. probably my favorite thing Johns has done. Probably my preferred version of the Lex/Superman fight for regular comics.
You can probably also find Elliott S! Maggin's Superman books on Amazon- they're pretty fun versions of the silver age superman.